Perhaps also the deadciv itself was actually orogenes and they were out to destroy some other deadciv who made the Guardians, since they could be a real threat to oppress them (as evidenced by the fact that the later did/do). They stupidly used it as a weapon at some point and that's where everything came apart. My best guess at the moment is that the deadciv made the "big hole" (in that city of the other side of the world) in an attempt to harness all the power the the core of the planet and they made the network of obelisks to focus it (at the expense of Stone Eaters). I think Guardians are looking out for Guardians (and so Stills as well) at the expense of orogenes. Recall that the "defective" one in The Fifth Season claimed the be speaking for Father Earth and gets killed because of it. Indeed, it seems that Guardians are orogenes who basically vampire energy off "normal" orogenes? Perhaps the "corestone" implant that really makes one a Guardian is another relic from the same deadciv that made the obelisks? I'm not sure that Father Earth is who a "defective" Guardian represents though. I'm not sure the rules, can I put the sample chapter here in a spoiler quote for people to be able to see it if they didn't get to? Is it that the former merely seek to control Orogenes, whereas the latter want to use them to destroy Earth? I found that bit very confusing, but it might just be because of how quickly I blazed through this book. But then I'm not quite sure I understand the difference between a regular Guardian, and one like Schaffa who allows Father Earth to take control. From what I have gathered, Guardians are Orogenes themselves, who are implanted with the mental needles as children and then seemingly live indefinitely, barring the removal of the implant, or some real damage (Schaffa was able to survive the drowning, after all, and had thoughts to this effect).
I'm a bit confused by the whole thing with Guardians and Orogenes and Stone Eaters though.
Carrying over a small discussion from the other thread, I agree with the interpretation that Steel is hoping to get Nassun to make the moon and Earth collide and wipe out humanity, whereas Hoa seeks to get Essun to put the moon back into orbit and restore the balance.
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